Triumph of the Methodist heretics?
07/16/2023
The United Methodist Church has been torn by internal strife for the last 20 years, but the end may at least be in sight. Since 2019, 2o percent of American parishes have formally broken with the organization, many choosing to affiliate with the Global Methodist Church, was was founded last year.
In a sense, this is a triumph for the sexually libertine heretics who have openly defied Methodist teachings for years with impunity. Unable to enforce discipline, the UMC's leadership tried the same approach as the Anglican Communion and has now experienced a similar failure.
As with the Anglicans, the Methodists have finally accepted that there are points of theological disagreement that simply can't be glossed over, not matter how hard people try.
In a sense, this is also a top-down schism as the name and property are firmly in possession of the heretics, and orthodox Methodists are effectively having to buy their way out of the denomination. It is in many respects the triumph of heresy.
Indeed, I have seen progressives describe this as a victory, since an 80/20 split is quite lop-sided. Many feared far worse.
However, that assumes the schism has run it course, which is unlikely. Many parishes delayed a decision until a viable Methodist alternative was available, so additional disaffiliations are still in progress.
There is also the fact that parishes does not tell the full story. Over the last two decades, millions of Methodists quit on an individual basis and I have seen several UMC churches in my area close in the last few years. Many of the remaining parishes will not be viable, and will also be forced to shut down.
A key factor going forward will be the formalization of the new theology. Up till now, this has been vague, with the progressive wing using the language of "tolerance" and "inclusion" to justify their sexual immorality. The old rules were still on the books, but not enforced out of "compassion."
Now the progressives have the opportunity to set out their full vision of sexual freedom without any restraints. I imagine there will be "LGBTQ+ friendly vacation bible camps" and other attempts at grooming because this is the demonic Spirit of the Age.
These will likely alienate even sympathetic believers who were willing to tolerate perversion, but will not advocate it. That won't stop the leadership, however, because having seized the pulpit, they will use it for every progressive cause, not matter how extreme.
There is a certain symmetry in the almost simultaneous collapse of the Anglican Communion and the United Methodist Church. Methodism itself was born of a schism within the Anglican tradition, and it originated as a movement to restore a more pure form of faith built on personal holiness.
Now both organizations have succumbed to the seduction of sodomy and sexual license, which their leaders have elevated to the highest good. Unwittingly, both are now moving to a different branch of Protestantism, one their founders abhorred: Calvinism.
Specifically, Yard Sign Calvinism.
Both the Anglicans and their offshoots have rejected any real requirement for personal change or external action to achieve salvation. The believe that their inherent goodness and pureness of intention supersede sacraments or sacred scripture. Indeed, both sacraments and scripture must yield or be discarded.
Yet in the end, both organizations will likely die out, becoming little more than a fringe activist group living off of the endowments provided by people whose beliefs they now abhor.
I'm sorry that they're having problems, but glad that it's not just Jews who embrace all the woke crap and LGTBQ nonsense. If I had to bet, I'd say that much of the nonsense comes down to the increase in female leadership, I attribute a lot of the stuff I've seen to women's choices.
The congregation I left installed their trans cantor (biological woman), and has a very female administration and clergy as well as congregation. Very lopsided. And its seeming embrace of the notion of a goddess or female spirit, be it Shekhinah, Ashera or Lilith, it seems as if monotheism is uncool. Jews are notoriously quick to misunderstand the idea of a Trinity and see it a multiple Gods, so it's sad and silly to see them so involved in the current goddess cult.
While I was looking at some things related to our current woke mess, I came across this: https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B999_M022_Golden.html and don't know what to make of it. It does relate to the topic as it puts this forth as the reason why churches are in so much trouble, altogether and all at once. I found the diminishment of St. Michael to be quite noteworthy, as it suggests a deliberate removal of a protector, mentioned in the Bible.
Posted by: CN | 07/17/2023 at 08:06 PM
I followed your link and it's...interesting. Reminds me of the fever dreams of the Sedevacantists These delightful folks literally consider themselves more Catholic than the pope. Actually several popes. Put simply, they reach back to a given point in time (Pius XII? Pius X?) and declare the desired pope to be the last "true" one, and everything since is heresy, etc. There's always a market for this sort of nonsense, sadly, proof that the Enemy knows how to exploit all weaknesses. Thus, someone who faithfully strives for truth and God's will can be turned into an agent of evil by declaring all the current clergy invalid all the while thinking themselves the personification of the True Faith. It's simply an attempt to weaken the Church by a different line of attack.
I will note that St. Michael's prayer is on the upswing, and indeed a part of the Mass in many dioceses (usually as a closing prayer). Similarly, there is a strong drive to put more (not less) sacred images in churches, the Latin Mass has never been more popular (Francis trying to restrict it has had the predictably opposite effect), and so on.
There's a larger point to be made about Freemasonry which deserves its own post, but I will note that while American Freemasonry is generally assumed to be a mutual aid society with some mystic overtones and a whiff of political cronyism, the Continental version was very much about destroying the Catholic Church.
I'm also struggling to wrap my head around Jews doing gender-swapping in relation to God. This seems very much related to the Protestant conceit of "reinterpreting" Scripture to mean whatever one wants it to mean. Which is to say: making it up.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd | 07/17/2023 at 08:35 PM
There is even a new thing called a "renaming ceremony and blessing" .I become more horrified every time some new "ritual" is brought forth.
Posted by: CN | 07/17/2023 at 08:46 PM
That was the Rubicon for the Global South Anglicans. God decides what is holy and what is unholy. We cannot bless an unholy thing and make it holy.
More than a decade ago, some renegade priest "ordained" some women in a Catholic church. The reaction was swift. The priest was defrocked, everyone present was deemed to have excommunicated themselves, and building was locked up because the altar had been desecrated.
That's how these things should be handled.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd | 07/18/2023 at 09:18 PM